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Re: Daily digest for ot-pd@aotalists.org
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RE: Daily digest for ot-pd@aotalists.org AOTA ot-pd List (27 Oct 2016 08:40 EDT)
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I do think its time to rethink/reform our FWII process. I also believe it might be time to have AOTA push back on Genesis and say while we appreciate your support, we do not agree with your practices, and not give them the advertising they receive at the EXPO. Finally we were notified by our contracts and personnel dept that they will not renew the contract because of the imposed upon fees. Leonard Leonard G. Trujillo PhD, OTR/L, FAOTA Professor, Chair Occupational Therapy Dept. Health Science Building Rm 3305-E Greenville, NC 27858-4353 trujillol@ecu.edu Office 252.744.6195 Fax 252.744.6198 -----Original Message----- From: list-manager@aotalists.org [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 6:04 AM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - Re: Daily digest for ot-pd@aotalists.org I refuse to sign the amendment. It is a slippery slope. In my mind, it is their opportunity to generate revenues. Evidence is clear that payment does not improve clinician's productivity or students' clinical experiences. Thanks - Salvador Bondoc OT Chair/Professor On Oct 25, 2016, at 6:09 PM, AOTA Discussion Lists <nobody@simplelists.com<mailto:nobody@simplelists.com>> wrote: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 13:52 EDT) (missing) (missing) Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 14:09 EDT) RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 16:07 EDT) RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 16:10 EDT) RE: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 13:58 EDT) Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - RE: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 14:28 EDT) RE: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 13:59 EDT) Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 14:00 EDT) Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 14:05 EDT) RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 15:29 EDT) RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 15:35 EDT) RE: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 14:11 EDT) RE: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 14:19 EDT) Re: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 15:31 EDT) Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - Re: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 15:33 EDT) RE: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 15:38 EDT) Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - RE: paying sites for fieldwork students - AOTA ot-pd List (25 Oct 2016 16:30 EDT) ________________________________ paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 13:52 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References= <BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>> We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 14:09 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20- paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CAK9bM-F9fhQL6LOcxXd6vg01D2nGdCqQWP6Q_-MP4qE1Wg6U5g@mail.gmail.com> <CAK9bM-HmmHCQnB-PLq6etGQY-yXDT=ADsLJ0K=+jJOBCz5SCbA@mail.gmail.com> <CAK9bM-FtDW9drxfCqDUOqaxE6RNbVH4kko3-OLRHxLQEQA3NbQ@mail.gmail.com>> Lynne, We received the same amendment. We currently would have no choice but to pass that cost to the student as our budget wouldn't support that expense. But we haven't decided what we will do yet. I am concerned about this.... If we all comply, will this start a trend? We may not have an option due to the heavy competition for sites? Can we call on practitioners/state associations to push back and help support education citing a professional duty to educate the needed workforce? More questions than answers today. I'll be interested to hear reactions here and conversation at our meeting this weekend. Lynn Kilburg St. Ambrose University On Oct 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "AOTA ot-pd List" <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 16:07 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20- paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CAK9bM-F9fhQL6LOcxXd6vg01D2nGdCqQWP6Q_-MP4qE1Wg6U5g@mail.gmail.com> <CAK9bM-HmmHCQnB-PLq6etGQY-yXDT=ADsLJ0K=+jJOBCz5SCbA@mail.gmail.com> <CAK9bM-FtDW9drxfCqDUOqaxE6RNbVH4kko3-OLRHxLQEQA3NbQ@mail.gmail.com> <b49a585edf05413a9f25ef7f72b1bfb6@nau.edu>> Food for thought...ask for reimbursement as a finder's fee if the site or company employees the student within 3-5 years after placement completed Another concern is FW contract versus now a vendor. What are the legal issues of such a relationship? From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:09 AM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students Lynne, We received the same amendment. We currently would have no choice but to pass that cost to the student as our budget wouldn't support that expense. But we haven't decided what we will do yet. I am concerned about this.... If we all comply, will this start a trend? We may not have an option due to the heavy competition for sites? Can we call on practitioners/state associations to push back and help support education citing a professional duty to educate the needed workforce? More questions than answers today. I'll be interested to hear reactions here and conversation at our meeting this weekend. Lynn Kilburg St. Ambrose University On Oct 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "AOTA ot-pd List" <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 16:10 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20- paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CAK9bM-F9fhQL6LOcxXd6vg01D2nGdCqQWP6Q_-MP4qE1Wg6U5g@mail.gmail.com> <CAK9bM-HmmHCQnB-PLq6etGQY-yXDT=ADsLJ0K=+jJOBCz5SCbA@mail.gmail.com> <CAK9bM-FtDW9drxfCqDUOqaxE6RNbVH4kko3-OLRHxLQEQA3NbQ@mail.gmail.com> <b49a585edf05413a9f25ef7f72b1bfb6@nau.edu> <F4D70122A4454B46AD389B2D8BCCDBF4C5E24B4C@SPARROW.school.neit.edu>> That's a great idea. I don't know if Genesis is currently paying sign-on bonuses, but that should come right back to the college if a student does FW and then gets a job with them. From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:08 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students Food for thought...ask for reimbursement as a finder's fee if the site or company employees the student within 3-5 years after placement completed Another concern is FW contract versus now a vendor. What are the legal issues of such a relationship? From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:09 AM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students Lynne, We received the same amendment. We currently would have no choice but to pass that cost to the student as our budget wouldn't support that expense. But we haven't decided what we will do yet. I am concerned about this.... If we all comply, will this start a trend? We may not have an option due to the heavy competition for sites? Can we call on practitioners/state associations to push back and help support education citing a professional duty to educate the needed workforce? More questions than answers today. I'll be interested to hear reactions here and conversation at our meeting this weekend. Lynn Kilburg St. Ambrose University On Oct 25, 2016 12:54 PM, "AOTA ot-pd List" <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ RE: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 13:58 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <BN1PR0301MB0722B09F580FE7ABD4B07D5FB1A80@BN1PR0301MB0722.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>> We hear this has been changed by Genesis, and feel that it will change our processes down the road as other sites will likely join in. This is a concern to us. In the near future we will likely not utilize Genesis unless we absolutely have to, choosing other FW sites first. Our university has paid stipends to preceptors in medicine before, but never for OT or PT - not sure how we will handle this yet - but we will place students at other sites as much as we possibly can. Kimberly Bryze, PhD, OTR/L Program Director & Professor Midwestern University Occupational Therapy Program T: 630-515-7226 F: 630-515-7418 From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:53 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - RE: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 14:28 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20-%20RE: paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <BN1PR0301MB0722B09F580FE7ABD4B07D5FB1A80@BN1PR0301MB0722.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <CADy3OxM_atNewr8=dtzeVeZCHzFHFpX4Lbr7D1UjUMr+weopXQ@mail.gmail.com>> We just had our first request for this in an out of state placement, not yet locally. Can AOTA respond and talk to these these large national companies? What is their rationale? I agree that it is a dangerous trend and could put many of us out of business. On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:58 AM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We hear this has been changed by Genesis, and feel that it will change our processes down the road as other sites will likely join in. This is a concern to us. In the near future we will likely not utilize Genesis unless we absolutely have to, choosing other FW sites first. Our university has paid stipends to preceptors in medicine before, but never for OT or PT - not sure how we will handle this yet - but we will place students at other sites as much as we possibly can. Kimberly Bryze, PhD, OTR/L Program Director & Professor Midwestern University Occupational Therapy Program T: 630-515-7226<tel:630-515-7226> F: 630-515-7418<tel:630-515-7418> From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org>] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:53 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> -- Ruth Ramsey, Ed.D., OTR/L Professor, Chair Founding Director Department of Occupational Therapy Dominican University of California ruth.ramsey@dominican.edu<mailto:ruth.ramsey@dominican.edu> 415.257.1393<tel:415.257.1393> ________________________________ RE: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 13:59 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <DM5PR12MB17376D751A336037D0354815CFA80@DM5PR12MB1737.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>> We are facing this as well and do not have a mechanism to pay. A panel of fieldwork supervisors will address at our state conference in November as payment for Level II placement has been announced by three of our current fieldwork contracts (large multi-site entities). Among the suggestions was to discuss with APTA and ASHA to address more broadly. Beth M. Beth Merryman, PhD, OTR/L, FAOTA Professor and Chairperson Doctoral Program Director Department of Occupational Therapy & Occupational Science Towson University Towson, MD 21252 From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:53 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 14:00 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20- paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CAGc81WpVgQo9CSop9giSHKY6X_jywCr8oNDLQSdekXyNEjrjew@mail.gmail.com>> We received the same notice from Genesis and it has a significant impact on our fieldwork program. I noticed that the topic is on the agenda for our ALC meetings later this week. Kathy Katherine M. Post, PhD, OTR/L, FAOTA | Professor and Chair Springfield College Occupational Therapy Department 263 Alden Street Springfield, MA 01109 springfield.edu<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL3NwcmluZ2ZpZWxkY29sbGVnZS5lZHU%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> | p: 413-748-3785 | f: 413-748-3371 On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:52 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 14:05 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20- paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CAGc81WpVgQo9CSop9giSHKY6X_jywCr8oNDLQSdekXyNEjrjew@mail.gmail.com> <CAPnk1Sy9O8JJTUzL+swqwi+kbWN0z1RUwJUBcD=Ed1Sp97UPrQ@mail.gmail.com>> We have faced this with other sites, including one locally. We have been informed by our administration that we are not allowed to use those sites. Eva L. Rodriguez, PhD, OTR/L, Fellow, Society for Applied Anthropology Clinical Associate Professor Chairperson of the Occupational Therapy Program Occupational Therapy Program-Stony Brook University Division of the Rehabilitation Sciences School of Health Technology and Management Health Sciences Center Level 2 Room 440 Stony Brook,NY 11794-8206 Office Telephone:(631) 444-8393 Fax Number: (631) 444-6305 Email: Eva.Rodriguez@Stonybrook.edu<mailto:Eva.Rodriguez@Stonybrook.edu> **************************************************************** This e- mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original. ****************************************************************************** On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We received the same notice from Genesis and it has a significant impact on our fieldwork program. I noticed that the topic is on the agenda for our ALC meetings later this week. Kathy Katherine M. Post, PhD, OTR/L, FAOTA | Professor and Chair Springfield College Occupational Therapy Department 263 Alden Street Springfield, MA 01109 springfield.edu<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL3NwcmluZ2ZpZWxkY29sbGVnZS5lZHU%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> | p: 413-748-3785<tel:413-748-3785> | f: 413-748-3371<tel:413-748-3371> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:52 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 15:29 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20- paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CAGc81WpVgQo9CSop9giSHKY6X_jywCr8oNDLQSdekXyNEjrjew@mail.gmail.com> <CAPnk1Sy9O8JJTUzL+swqwi+kbWN0z1RUwJUBcD=Ed1Sp97UPrQ@mail.gmail.com> <BCFBF142CD2BAC44B0A07AFF4769FA12170962AB96@zechariah>> I think it is the wave of the future - we signed with administration's approval Neil Penny From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:05 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We have faced this with other sites, including one locally. We have been informed by our administration that we are not allowed to use those sites. Eva L. Rodriguez, PhD, OTR/L, Fellow, Society for Applied Anthropology Clinical Associate Professor Chairperson of the Occupational Therapy Program Occupational Therapy Program-Stony Brook University Division of the Rehabilitation Sciences School of Health Technology and Management Health Sciences Center Level 2 Room 440 Stony Brook,NY 11794-8206 Office Telephone:(631) 444-8393 Fax Number: (631) 444-6305 Email: Eva.Rodriguez@Stonybrook.edu<mailto:Eva.Rodriguez@Stonybrook.edu> **************************************************************** This e- mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original. ****************************************************************************** On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We received the same notice from Genesis and it has a significant impact on our fieldwork program. I noticed that the topic is on the agenda for our ALC meetings later this week. Kathy Katherine M. Post, PhD, OTR/L, FAOTA | Professor and Chair Springfield College Occupational Therapy Department 263 Alden Street Springfield, MA 01109 springfield.edu<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL3NwcmluZ2ZpZWxkY29sbGVnZS5lZHU%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> | p: 413-748-3785<tel:413-748-3785> | f: 413-748-3371<tel:413-748-3371> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:52 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 15:35 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20- paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CAGc81WpVgQo9CSop9giSHKY6X_jywCr8oNDLQSdekXyNEjrjew@mail.gmail.com> <CAPnk1Sy9O8JJTUzL+swqwi+kbWN0z1RUwJUBcD=Ed1Sp97UPrQ@mail.gmail.com> <BCFBF142CD2BAC44B0A07AFF4769FA12170962AB96@zechariah> <BY2PR06MB2134B0E841A25BF74F9FA91C98A80@BY2PR06MB2134.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>> Pharmacy schools are paying $200 per rotation which is typically a month long. Dr. Ruth Ford Associate Dean of Health Sciences and OTD Director Huntington University 1819 Carew Street Fort Wayne, IN 46805 260-702-9620 260-702-9626 Fax ruth.ford@huntington.edu<mailto:ruth.ford@huntington.edu> From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 3:29 PM To: 'ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>' <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> Subject: RE: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students I think it is the wave of the future - we signed with administration's approval Neil Penny From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:05 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We have faced this with other sites, including one locally. We have been informed by our administration that we are not allowed to use those sites. Eva L. Rodriguez, PhD, OTR/L, Fellow, Society for Applied Anthropology Clinical Associate Professor Chairperson of the Occupational Therapy Program Occupational Therapy Program-Stony Brook University Division of the Rehabilitation Sciences School of Health Technology and Management Health Sciences Center Level 2 Room 440 Stony Brook,NY 11794-8206 Office Telephone:(631) 444-8393 Fax Number: (631) 444-6305 Email: Eva.Rodriguez@Stonybrook.edu<mailto:Eva.Rodriguez@Stonybrook.edu> **************************************************************** This e- mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original. ****************************************************************************** On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We received the same notice from Genesis and it has a significant impact on our fieldwork program. I noticed that the topic is on the agenda for our ALC meetings later this week. Kathy Katherine M. Post, PhD, OTR/L, FAOTA | Professor and Chair Springfield College Occupational Therapy Department 263 Alden Street Springfield, MA 01109 springfield.edu<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL3NwcmluZ2ZpZWxkY29sbGVnZS5lZHU%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> | p: 413-748-3785<tel:413-748-3785> | f: 413-748-3371<tel:413-748-3371> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:52 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ RE: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 14:11 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <E9BF5C18091817429090C12DA61F1877C0AADF87@X-MB1.xds.umail.utah.edu>> We know about this as well and do not use this or any other site that requires payment. If too many organizations started requiring such payment, we would need to give serious consideration to our budget, potentially needing to pass on such costs, at least in part, to students. That would be unfortunately given the already high cost of graduate education. Lorie Richards, PhD, OTR/L, FAHA Chair and Associate Professor Department of Occupational and Recreational Therapies University of Utah From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:53 AM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ RE: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 14:19 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <03E16BA117C7B24892801F6559055BA901947FC417@mailmbx02.csm.edu>> We at CSM received that notice as well and are not prepared to act on this, nor should we. In my nearly 40 year career, I've seen this issue come up occasionally and it is a sad state to charge students for placements with a particular company. We endeavor to rally the schools in the area to discuss a way to stop this possible trend. It's a slippery slope once it starts. Yolanda Griffiths, OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:53 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ Re: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 15:31 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <BLUPR08MB1299F4B0E14021C21268A8AEEDA80@BLUPR08MB1299.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>> This is becoming an issue for us. There has been a threat of this happening by one of the big hospital systems. They have charged us for onboarding so far but indicated an additional fee for all level 1 and 2 fieldworks. We have talked about adding an additional fee for students but we are hesitant to do so. Beth Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Professor and Director, Master of Occupational Therapy Program School of Health Sciences Office Phone: (216) 687-3542 Fax: (216) 687-9316 Email: b.ekelman@csuohio.edu<mailto:b.ekelman@csuohio.edu> Mailing Address: Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Cleveland State University 2121 Euclid Avenue, HS 101 Cleveland, OH 44115 From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> <list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org>> on behalf of AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:52:49 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - Re: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 15:33 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20-%20Re: paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <BLUPR08MB1299F4B0E14021C21268A8AEEDA80@BLUPR08MB1299.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <CADy3OxNmW5VxTHMT2ppXh+LyEiY7JJEFagEciWwuiDuyW2vbbw@mail.gmail.com>> If the fees are $ 100.00 per student per site, how will this be affordable? On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:31 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: This is becoming an issue for us. There has been a threat of this happening by one of the big hospital systems. They have charged us for onboarding so far but indicated an additional fee for all level 1 and 2 fieldworks. We have talked about adding an additional fee for students but we are hesitant to do so. Beth Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Professor and Director, Master of Occupational Therapy Program School of Health Sciences Office Phone: (216) 687-3542<tel:%28216%29%20687-3542> Fax: (216) 687-9316<tel:%28216%29%20687-9316> Email: b.ekelman@csuohio.edu<mailto:b.ekelman@csuohio.edu> Mailing Address: Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Cleveland State University 2121 Euclid Avenue, HS 101 Cleveland, OH 44115 From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> <list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org>> on behalf of AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:52:49 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> -- Ruth Ramsey, Ed.D., OTR/L Professor, Chair Founding Director Department of Occupational Therapy Dominican University of California ruth.ramsey@dominican.edu<mailto:ruth.ramsey@dominican.edu> 415.257.1393 ________________________________ RE: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 15:38 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <BLUPR08MB1299F4B0E14021C21268A8AEEDA80@BLUPR08MB1299.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <F4D70122A4454B46AD389B2D8BCCDBF4C5E24AA3@SPARROW.school.neit.edu>> We have gotten the MOU amendment as well. I wonder if this will change Genesis's availability for placements because I know they say NO to us all the time at the administrative level even when we have therapists who have said yes. I agree that this is a trend and problem. It's time for our profession to seriously investigate other possible fieldwork models. I will not be travelling to San Diego, but will be glad to hear what the discussion is about fieldwork. We need to be proactive to help our profession move forward. Nancy Nancy Robert Dooley, PhD, OTR/L Professor and Director Master of Science in Occupational Therapy Program New England Institute of Technology One New England Tech Blvd. East Greenwich, RI 02818-1205 401-739-5000 x3400 From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 3:32 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - Re: paying sites for fieldwork students This is becoming an issue for us. There has been a threat of this happening by one of the big hospital systems. They have charged us for onboarding so far but indicated an additional fee for all level 1 and 2 fieldworks. We have talked about adding an additional fee for students but we are hesitant to do so. Beth Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Professor and Director, Master of Occupational Therapy Program School of Health Sciences Office Phone: (216) 687-3542 Fax: (216) 687-9316 Email: b.ekelman@csuohio.edu<mailto:b.ekelman@csuohio.edu> Mailing Address: Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Cleveland State University 2121 Euclid Avenue, HS 101 Cleveland, OH 44115 From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> <list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org>> on behalf of AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:52:49 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> ________________________________ Re: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - RE: paying sites for fieldwork students by AOTA ot-pd List<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> (25 Oct 2016 16:30 EDT) Reply to list<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org?Subject=Re:%20[OT-PD%20List%20-%20AOTA]%20-%20RE: paying%20sites%20for%20fieldwork students&References=<BLUPR0501MB2066CF55AD6D0FC20326D26ECCA80@BLUPR0501MB2066.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <BLUPR08MB1299F4B0E14021C21268A8AEEDA80@BLUPR08MB1299.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> <F4D70122A4454B46AD389B2D8BCCDBF4C5E24AA3@SPARROW.school.neit.edu> <CAJFJT9yNOG7hsobA2QU8YraKWOQeBkJggDSiwny109o=4sdASA@mail.gmail.com>> I agree with Nancy that it is time to propose some other fieldwork models. This needs to be an in-depth discussion with potential suggestions for change in the near future. We will not be able to pay the Genesis fee, so we will no longer be working with this organization for fieldwork opportunities. We had a meeting with Genesis about this change and brought up some additional questions such are: as we will be paying for the fieldwork experience do we have an opportunity to interview and chose the fieldwork supervisor? What if we (or our students) are unhappy with the learning experience? Then do we get our money back from the site? At the time of our meeting these questions could not be answered. Laurie On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 3:38 PM, AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> wrote: We have gotten the MOU amendment as well. I wonder if this will change Genesis's availability for placements because I know they say NO to us all the time at the administrative level even when we have therapists who have said yes. I agree that this is a trend and problem. It's time for our profession to seriously investigate other possible fieldwork models. I will not be travelling to San Diego, but will be glad to hear what the discussion is about fieldwork. We need to be proactive to help our profession move forward. Nancy Nancy Robert Dooley, PhD, OTR/L Professor and Director Master of Science in Occupational Therapy Program New England Institute of Technology One New England Tech Blvd. East Greenwich, RI 02818-1205 401-739-5000 x3400<tel:401-739-5000%20x3400> From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> [mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org>] On Behalf Of AOTA ot-pd List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 3:32 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - Re: paying sites for fieldwork students This is becoming an issue for us. There has been a threat of this happening by one of the big hospital systems. They have charged us for onboarding so far but indicated an additional fee for all level 1 and 2 fieldworks. We have talked about adding an additional fee for students but we are hesitant to do so. Beth Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Professor and Director, Master of Occupational Therapy Program School of Health Sciences Office Phone: (216) 687-3542<tel:%28216%29%20687-3542> Fax: (216) 687-9316<tel:%28216%29%20687-9316> Email: b.ekelman@csuohio.edu<mailto:b.ekelman@csuohio.edu> Mailing Address: Beth Ekelman, PhD, JD, OTR/L Cleveland State University 2121 Euclid Avenue, HS 101 Cleveland, OH 44115 From: list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org> <list-manager@aotalists.org<mailto:list-manager@aotalists.org>> on behalf of AOTA ot-pd List <ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:52:49 PM To: ot-pd@aotalists.org<mailto:ot-pd@aotalists.org> Subject: [OT-PD List - AOTA] - paying sites for fieldwork students We recently received an amendment to our contract with GENESIS to include a payment ($1,000 full-time $500 part-time) for student placements. I was wondering how (if at all) it would effect your FW programs and if you have a mechanism for paying the fee (i.e. have you faced this with other sites and paid for student placements). Thanks Lynne Richard, PhD, OT/L Interim Chair, Assistant Professor Occupational Therapy Department Florida International University 11200 SW 8th Street, AHC3-443 Miami, FL http://cnhs.fiu.edu/ot/<https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS9vdC8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> <https://websitecheck.quinnipiac.edu/canit/urlproxy.php?_q=aHR0cDovL2NuaHMuZml1LmVkdS8%3D&_r=cXVpbm5pcGlhYy1lZHU%3D&_s=c2xib25kb2M%3D> -- Laurie Knis-Matthews, Ph.D., OT Professor and Department Chairperson Department of Occupational Therapy Kean University 908-737-5858 ________________________________
